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What Is DOGE's Real Goal?
Podcast Episode | 71 min | Talk-Show
The so-called Department of Government Efficiency is great branding. Who could be against a more efficient government? But "efficiency" obfuscates what's really happening here. Efficiency to what end? Elon Musk, President Trump and DOGE's ...See moreThe so-called Department of Government Efficiency is great branding. Who could be against a more efficient government? But "efficiency" obfuscates what's really happening here. Efficiency to what end? Elon Musk, President Trump and DOGE's boosters have offered various objectives - cutting the deficit, eliminating fraud and abuse, creating a leaner and more responsive government. But DOGE's actions in the past two months don't seem to align with any of those goals. Santi Ruiz is a senior editor at the Institute for Progress and the author and host of the "Statecraft" podcast and newsletter. He's to my right politically and had higher hopes, at first, about DOGE's efforts, but he's now grappling with the reality of what it's actually doing. See less
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Updated Mar 25, 2025
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Mar 25, 2025 (United States)
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Explained (2018)
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Elon Musk
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The Ezra Klein Show (2016)
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